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	<title>Comments on: Linux On Mars</title>
	<link>http://linuxblogonline.org/archives/47</link>
	<description>Linux/Unix blog</description>
	<pubDate>Wed, 19 Nov 2008 23:35:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: andydread</title>
		<link>http://linuxblogonline.org/archives/47#comment-39814</link>
		<author>andydread</author>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Jun 2008 13:41:17 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://linuxblogonline.org/archives/47#comment-39814</guid>
					<description>Sorry to bust the bubble there but VXWorks is a proprietary operating system from
WindRiver.  The same people that said "Linux is rubbish" then spun around and started
offering their own version of Linux.  VXWorks however is not Linux.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry to bust the bubble there but VXWorks is a proprietary operating system from<br />
WindRiver.  The same people that said &#8220;Linux is rubbish&#8221; then spun around and started<br />
offering their own version of Linux.  VXWorks however is not Linux.</p>
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		<title>By: Gordon Haverland</title>
		<link>http://linuxblogonline.org/archives/47#comment-39837</link>
		<author>Gordon Haverland</author>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Jun 2008 15:18:08 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://linuxblogonline.org/archives/47#comment-39837</guid>
					<description>English Police stopping by.  :-)

It's MHz, not mhz.

The last radiation hard chip that I knew of specifically (I am sure there were others), was a 6502 version (same as the old Apple II I believe).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>English Police stopping by.  <img src='http://linuxblogonline.org/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>It&#8217;s MHz, not mhz.</p>
<p>The last radiation hard chip that I knew of specifically (I am sure there were others), was a 6502 version (same as the old Apple II I believe).</p>
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		<title>By: Foo</title>
		<link>http://linuxblogonline.org/archives/47#comment-39840</link>
		<author>Foo</author>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Jun 2008 15:31:31 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://linuxblogonline.org/archives/47#comment-39840</guid>
					<description>VxWorks is NOT linux or linux-based. These are completely separate OS's. VxWorks is a proprietary, closed-source product widely used in control (particularly aerospace) applications. I've been using Linux since around kernel 1.2, but this kind of mindless fanboy-ism really cuts at the credibility of the user base.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>VxWorks is NOT linux or linux-based. These are completely separate OS&#8217;s. VxWorks is a proprietary, closed-source product widely used in control (particularly aerospace) applications. I&#8217;ve been using Linux since around kernel 1.2, but this kind of mindless fanboy-ism really cuts at the credibility of the user base.</p>
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		<title>By: Peter</title>
		<link>http://linuxblogonline.org/archives/47#comment-39844</link>
		<author>Peter</author>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Jun 2008 15:43:26 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://linuxblogonline.org/archives/47#comment-39844</guid>
					<description>Correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't think VxWorks has any connection to Linux. I don't think it is a Linux variant. VxWorks is member of the UNIX family, a real-time variant, Linux is such a member as well, that is about the only connection there is. 'UNIX on Mars' the title should read, IMO.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Correct me if I&#8217;m wrong, but I don&#8217;t think VxWorks has any connection to Linux. I don&#8217;t think it is a Linux variant. VxWorks is member of the UNIX family, a real-time variant, Linux is such a member as well, that is about the only connection there is. &#8216;UNIX on Mars&#8217; the title should read, IMO.</p>
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		<title>By: Luc Lalonde</title>
		<link>http://linuxblogonline.org/archives/47#comment-39848</link>
		<author>Luc Lalonde</author>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Jun 2008 15:51:24 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://linuxblogonline.org/archives/47#comment-39848</guid>
					<description>Hello Simon,

VxWorks is not a variant of Linux...   Please explain what you mean!

There exists a RTOS based Linux product... but it's not VxWorks.   And there is no code sharing or lineage that links the two products.

Please correct you article.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hello Simon,</p>
<p>VxWorks is not a variant of Linux&#8230;   Please explain what you mean!</p>
<p>There exists a RTOS based Linux product&#8230; but it&#8217;s not VxWorks.   And there is no code sharing or lineage that links the two products.</p>
<p>Please correct you article.</p>
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		<title>By: nope</title>
		<link>http://linuxblogonline.org/archives/47#comment-39849</link>
		<author>nope</author>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Jun 2008 16:09:27 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://linuxblogonline.org/archives/47#comment-39849</guid>
					<description>You're wrong (on a lot of points). To keep it to the point, VxWorks is _not_ a variant of Linux.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You&#8217;re wrong (on a lot of points). To keep it to the point, VxWorks is _not_ a variant of Linux.</p>
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		<title>By: Jan</title>
		<link>http://linuxblogonline.org/archives/47#comment-39850</link>
		<author>Jan</author>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Jun 2008 16:18:17 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://linuxblogonline.org/archives/47#comment-39850</guid>
					<description>Sorry, but VxWorks is proprietary realtime OS, having nothing whatsoever with Linux. Do better research, next time.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry, but VxWorks is proprietary realtime OS, having nothing whatsoever with Linux. Do better research, next time.</p>
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		<title>By: roger</title>
		<link>http://linuxblogonline.org/archives/47#comment-39854</link>
		<author>roger</author>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Jun 2008 16:20:28 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://linuxblogonline.org/archives/47#comment-39854</guid>
					<description>I dont think the article is accurate. VxWorks looks completely unrelated to linux except that it is unix-like.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I dont think the article is accurate. VxWorks looks completely unrelated to linux except that it is unix-like.</p>
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		<title>By: norbert</title>
		<link>http://linuxblogonline.org/archives/47#comment-39863</link>
		<author>norbert</author>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Jun 2008 16:50:18 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://linuxblogonline.org/archives/47#comment-39863</guid>
					<description>Whoaa, so many errors in so few lines, you don't work at NASA do you?

1- VxWorks is NOT a variant of Linux. An easy way to tell is that VxWork is proprietary (hence can not derived from a GPL linux). Another way to tell is that VxWorks was first released in 1985 that is 6 years before the first line of Linux was ever written. (or maybe you work for SCO and have a very personal definition of 'a variant of')

2. the 30386 was certainly not the rage in 1998 (a decade ago), in 1998 the 'rage' was something like a Pentium II clocked a 333Mhz. Oh well, you were just of by an order of magnitude. 

3. Rad6000 is a single-board computer that include a cpu AND 128MB of ram. So it is not a 'rumor', it's the specs and it's what NASA has on its boards. And that is not 'scant' either: back in the day where 33MHz processors were in fashion, 128MB of memory was an insane amount. Most machine at the time did not have that in Hard Drive capacity.

4. you've got 30 engineers producing 1000-1500 instructions a day that is 30 to 50 instruction a day per capita... That is 3 to 5 time above the unsubstanciated average of 10 lines/dat per capita, but that is discounting the years of prep-work. In other words, they do a nice work but it has nothing really that extraordinary. Furthermore the 10 lines a day claims is quite low, and certainly does not apply to a small select group like that.
As an example, that one can readily verify. linux-0.01 contained 8830 lines of code (as counted by sloccount by David Wheeler). and that was published at then end of August 1991,that is a bit less than 8 month after Linus actually bought the machine to program on it - so some of that time was spend doing other thing than coding linux, still - according to your so called 'industry-standard' that should have taken him 3.5 years ... BTW, David Wheelers's SLOCCount evaluate that effort to 23.63 man-month, using the COCOMO model, which seems to place the number at about 18 lines a day. Oh well, at least this time you have the order of magnitude right!

5. "This list is in the form of computer code written in a programming language called ‘C’". That one is concievably true, but that would be quite odd and unlikely. and in the context of the rest of the 'article' I would ask for a bit more substanciation.

6. "NASA are doing what a regular programmer would take nearly 5 months to achieve in 24 hours!" That is Fox news reporting. NASA use 30 engineers and most certainly an awful lot of other support staff to do that. So the '5 months alone in your garage' metric make for a good effect, but is meaningless.

"I have been in the computer industry for over 30 years," Whoaa, it doesn't show.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Whoaa, so many errors in so few lines, you don&#8217;t work at NASA do you?</p>
<p>1- VxWorks is NOT a variant of Linux. An easy way to tell is that VxWork is proprietary (hence can not derived from a GPL linux). Another way to tell is that VxWorks was first released in 1985 that is 6 years before the first line of Linux was ever written. (or maybe you work for SCO and have a very personal definition of &#8216;a variant of&#8217;)</p>
<p>2. the 30386 was certainly not the rage in 1998 (a decade ago), in 1998 the &#8216;rage&#8217; was something like a Pentium II clocked a 333Mhz. Oh well, you were just of by an order of magnitude. </p>
<p>3. Rad6000 is a single-board computer that include a cpu AND 128MB of ram. So it is not a &#8216;rumor&#8217;, it&#8217;s the specs and it&#8217;s what NASA has on its boards. And that is not &#8217;scant&#8217; either: back in the day where 33MHz processors were in fashion, 128MB of memory was an insane amount. Most machine at the time did not have that in Hard Drive capacity.</p>
<p>4. you&#8217;ve got 30 engineers producing 1000-1500 instructions a day that is 30 to 50 instruction a day per capita&#8230; That is 3 to 5 time above the unsubstanciated average of 10 lines/dat per capita, but that is discounting the years of prep-work. In other words, they do a nice work but it has nothing really that extraordinary. Furthermore the 10 lines a day claims is quite low, and certainly does not apply to a small select group like that.<br />
As an example, that one can readily verify. linux-0.01 contained 8830 lines of code (as counted by sloccount by David Wheeler). and that was published at then end of August 1991,that is a bit less than 8 month after Linus actually bought the machine to program on it - so some of that time was spend doing other thing than coding linux, still - according to your so called &#8216;industry-standard&#8217; that should have taken him 3.5 years &#8230; BTW, David Wheelers&#8217;s SLOCCount evaluate that effort to 23.63 man-month, using the COCOMO model, which seems to place the number at about 18 lines a day. Oh well, at least this time you have the order of magnitude right!</p>
<p>5. &#8220;This list is in the form of computer code written in a programming language called ‘C’&#8221;. That one is concievably true, but that would be quite odd and unlikely. and in the context of the rest of the &#8216;article&#8217; I would ask for a bit more substanciation.</p>
<p>6. &#8220;NASA are doing what a regular programmer would take nearly 5 months to achieve in 24 hours!&#8221; That is Fox news reporting. NASA use 30 engineers and most certainly an awful lot of other support staff to do that. So the &#8216;5 months alone in your garage&#8217; metric make for a good effect, but is meaningless.</p>
<p>&#8220;I have been in the computer industry for over 30 years,&#8221; Whoaa, it doesn&#8217;t show.</p>
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		<title>By: David F. Skoll</title>
		<link>http://linuxblogonline.org/archives/47#comment-39869</link>
		<author>David F. Skoll</author>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Jun 2008 17:12:14 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://linuxblogonline.org/archives/47#comment-39869</guid>
					<description>This article is completely off the mark. VxWorks is **NOT** a variant of Linux.  It's a completely different operating system.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This article is completely off the mark. VxWorks is **NOT** a variant of Linux.  It&#8217;s a completely different operating system.</p>
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		<title>By: voidlogic</title>
		<link>http://linuxblogonline.org/archives/47#comment-39877</link>
		<author>voidlogic</author>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Jun 2008 17:44:28 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://linuxblogonline.org/archives/47#comment-39877</guid>
					<description>10 lines of code a day? That doesn't seem right, for me and the people on my team it is more like 100 (C/Java). And I'm not arrogant enough to think that we are 10x better than average. If testing is taking up all your time maybe its time to throw some unit tests into the mix.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>10 lines of code a day? That doesn&#8217;t seem right, for me and the people on my team it is more like 100 (C/Java). And I&#8217;m not arrogant enough to think that we are 10x better than average. If testing is taking up all your time maybe its time to throw some unit tests into the mix.</p>
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		<title>By: LAWL</title>
		<link>http://linuxblogonline.org/archives/47#comment-39883</link>
		<author>LAWL</author>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Jun 2008 17:58:40 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://linuxblogonline.org/archives/47#comment-39883</guid>
					<description>Average programmer does 10 lines a day?



hah bullshit.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Average programmer does 10 lines a day?</p>
<p>hah bullshit.</p>
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		<title>By: someone out there</title>
		<link>http://linuxblogonline.org/archives/47#comment-39885</link>
		<author>someone out there</author>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Jun 2008 18:04:29 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://linuxblogonline.org/archives/47#comment-39885</guid>
					<description>Dood VxWorks is not a varient of linux. It's an entirely independently developed operating system. thought you should know.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dood VxWorks is not a varient of linux. It&#8217;s an entirely independently developed operating system. thought you should know.</p>
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		<title>By: steven</title>
		<link>http://linuxblogonline.org/archives/47#comment-39902</link>
		<author>steven</author>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Jun 2008 19:13:34 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://linuxblogonline.org/archives/47#comment-39902</guid>
					<description>An average programmer writes &#38; test ONLY 10 lines of code per day??? I can hardly believe this... I used to write hundreds...

10 lines is a short and simple function / procedure / whatever...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>An average programmer writes &amp; test ONLY 10 lines of code per day??? I can hardly believe this&#8230; I used to write hundreds&#8230;</p>
<p>10 lines is a short and simple function / procedure / whatever&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Patric Conant</title>
		<link>http://linuxblogonline.org/archives/47#comment-39904</link>
		<author>Patric Conant</author>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Jun 2008 19:24:09 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://linuxblogonline.org/archives/47#comment-39904</guid>
					<description>386s were all the rage two decades ago,and VxWorks is not a Linux variant.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>386s were all the rage two decades ago,and VxWorks is not a Linux variant.</p>
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		<title>By: Smither</title>
		<link>http://linuxblogonline.org/archives/47#comment-39918</link>
		<author>Smither</author>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Jun 2008 20:19:31 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://linuxblogonline.org/archives/47#comment-39918</guid>
					<description>VxWorks is not linux or linux based. It's Unix-like which means it's similar to linux, bsd and all the rest.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>VxWorks is not linux or linux based. It&#8217;s Unix-like which means it&#8217;s similar to linux, bsd and all the rest.</p>
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		<title>By: Zartan</title>
		<link>http://linuxblogonline.org/archives/47#comment-39941</link>
		<author>Zartan</author>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Jun 2008 21:59:03 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://linuxblogonline.org/archives/47#comment-39941</guid>
					<description>Since when is VxWorks a Linux variant?  It is a commercial RTOS.  The article's link to Wikipedia mentions that VxWorks is _Unix-like_ and POSIX compliant.  Sure, Linux is too, but that doesn't mean a common code ancestry.  Heck, all the commercial Unixes also qualify and they don't share code with Linux either.  Same for QNX's Neutrino which has a microkernel-like core.

If anything VxWorks looks to be similar from VRTX, a RTOS.  (See the history section in the Wikipedia article.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Since when is VxWorks a Linux variant?  It is a commercial RTOS.  The article&#8217;s link to Wikipedia mentions that VxWorks is _Unix-like_ and POSIX compliant.  Sure, Linux is too, but that doesn&#8217;t mean a common code ancestry.  Heck, all the commercial Unixes also qualify and they don&#8217;t share code with Linux either.  Same for QNX&#8217;s Neutrino which has a microkernel-like core.</p>
<p>If anything VxWorks looks to be similar from VRTX, a RTOS.  (See the history section in the Wikipedia article.)</p>
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		<title>By: Neo</title>
		<link>http://linuxblogonline.org/archives/47#comment-39945</link>
		<author>Neo</author>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Jun 2008 22:09:43 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://linuxblogonline.org/archives/47#comment-39945</guid>
					<description>i think a stripped down version of Win98SE would probably do a good job. then again....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i think a stripped down version of Win98SE would probably do a good job. then again&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: asdf fdsa</title>
		<link>http://linuxblogonline.org/archives/47#comment-39955</link>
		<author>asdf fdsa</author>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Jun 2008 22:47:21 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://linuxblogonline.org/archives/47#comment-39955</guid>
					<description>Sorry, but that's just wrong. VxWorks is not a variant of Linux at all.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry, but that&#8217;s just wrong. VxWorks is not a variant of Linux at all.</p>
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		<title>By: David F. Skoll</title>
		<link>http://linuxblogonline.org/archives/47#comment-39968</link>
		<author>David F. Skoll</author>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Jun 2008 00:56:31 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://linuxblogonline.org/archives/47#comment-39968</guid>
					<description>VxWorks is not Linux.  I posted earlier but my comment never appeared.  This story is utterly wrong.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>VxWorks is not Linux.  I posted earlier but my comment never appeared.  This story is utterly wrong.</p>
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		<title>By: Robert Collier</title>
		<link>http://linuxblogonline.org/archives/47#comment-40059</link>
		<author>Robert Collier</author>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Jun 2008 08:15:38 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://linuxblogonline.org/archives/47#comment-40059</guid>
					<description>VxWORKS is not a variant of Linux, its a developed from the ground up OS.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>VxWORKS is not a variant of Linux, its a developed from the ground up OS.</p>
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		<title>By: FPCat</title>
		<link>http://linuxblogonline.org/archives/47#comment-40101</link>
		<author>FPCat</author>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Jun 2008 13:22:23 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://linuxblogonline.org/archives/47#comment-40101</guid>
					<description>VxWorks  != Linux....  Did you even read the wikipedia article you linked to?

Wind River does supply Linux to customers, but VxWorks has been around longer than linux!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>VxWorks  != Linux&#8230;.  Did you even read the wikipedia article you linked to?</p>
<p>Wind River does supply Linux to customers, but VxWorks has been around longer than linux!</p>
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		<title>By: Alan</title>
		<link>http://linuxblogonline.org/archives/47#comment-40114</link>
		<author>Alan</author>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Jun 2008 15:09:05 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://linuxblogonline.org/archives/47#comment-40114</guid>
					<description>I hate to burst the bubble, but VxWorks != Linux.  It's a Unix-like POSIX OS, but (though I'm no expert) AFAICT it has no relationship codewise to Linux.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I hate to burst the bubble, but VxWorks != Linux.  It&#8217;s a Unix-like POSIX OS, but (though I&#8217;m no expert) AFAICT it has no relationship codewise to Linux.</p>
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		<title>By: Getnikar Antakoff</title>
		<link>http://linuxblogonline.org/archives/47#comment-40782</link>
		<author>Getnikar Antakoff</author>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Jun 2008 12:14:32 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://linuxblogonline.org/archives/47#comment-40782</guid>
					<description>"I have been in the computer industry for over 30 years"

What, did you deliver the pizza's into the building?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;I have been in the computer industry for over 30 years&#8221;</p>
<p>What, did you deliver the pizza&#8217;s into the building?</p>
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